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Survived 5 other attacks?

If this is true and not hearsay, a reference should be included.

Full name

Makeandtoss removed Deif's full name from the lead and infobox while keeping it in the first section. I think the full name should be displayed in the lead and infobox. Any thoughts? Moazfargal (talk) 20:42, 11 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

There’s no such thing as four parts “full names” in Arabic. Full name is the first name and family name. Adding his father’s and grandfather’s name has no value. Makeandtoss (talk) 20:44, 11 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

As a native Arabic speaker, there are full names in Arabic. And biographical pages like Donald Trump and Joe Biden don't only show the first and family names. Moazfargal (talk) 20:51, 11 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Moazfargal: Joe Biden and Donald Trump's names have middle names, which are specific to them, and these are not their father's names. What benefit did readers get from knowing his father and grandfather's name in the first sentence? Makeandtoss (talk) 12:23, 18 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Makeandtoss: I mean, it's not that much less than the benefit to readers of Trump's and Biden's middle names, whether or not these middle names aren't father names. In fact, the articles still mention Trump's father name (haven't checked Biden's), albeit not in the first sentence. Therefore, I can understand omitting the "Diab Ibrahim" part from the first sentence, but I still think it should be shown in the infobox. Moazfargal (talk) 13:14, 18 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I have edited the article accordingly. Moazfargal (talk) 14:35, 18 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Foxhound45: The extended name does not add value to the opening sentence and should be removed, as this had been already discussed and agreed upon. Makeandtoss (talk) 17:56, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Makeandtoss: I only added the middle names because Wikipedia almost always includes them in articles about people. I wasn't trying to cause trouble. My apologies. --Foxhound45 (talk) 19:11, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Mohamad Deif confirmed dead

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I would like to add an edit on mohamad dief death via an Israeli attack I have a lot of confirmed info TKWGwiki (talk) 12:55, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If you are referring to the tapes of intercepted eulogies fot the deceased, it is still premature. Though improbable, such things (disinformatsia) can be staged to secure a targeted person from further attempts on their life.Nishidani (talk) 13:02, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The idf head of communications did confirm his death TKWGwiki (talk) 03:17, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Left guide (talk) 14:35, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

https://www.now14.co.il/%D7%9C%D7%90%D7%97%D7%A8-%D7%A2%D7%A9%D7%A8%D7%95%D7%AA-%D7%A9%D7%A0%D7%99%D7%9D-%D7%A9%D7%9C-%D7%9E%D7%A6%D7%95%D7%93-%D7%94%D7%AA%D7%A7%D7%91%D7%9C-%D7%94%D7%90%D7%99%D7%9E%D7%95%D7%AA-%D7%A2/ TKWGwiki (talk) 03:18, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Grammar edit

In the paragraph regarding his designation as a terrorist by the EU, the last two words are repeated.

Cronch112 (talk) 23:03, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Deif is dead! 2603:300A:1D9D:2000:AFFB:E531:3FCF:31B4 (talk) 21:10, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Jamedeus (talk) 21:32, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Mohamad deif is dead

Mohamad deif is dead i would like to have edit premmission to add all needed info

Sources:

https://www.srugim.co.il/1018810-%D7%93%D7%95%D7%91%D7%A8-%D7%A6%D7%94%D7%9C-%D7%9E%D7%90%D7%A9%D7%A8-%D7%9E%D7%95%D7%97%D7%9E%D7%93-%D7%93%D7%A3-%D7%97%D7%95%D7%A1%D7%9C

https://mobile.mako.co.il/pzm-soldiers/Article-1716c78b515d091026.htm

It is in hebrew do to the assassination being done by the IAF of the IDF TKWGwiki (talk) 15:48, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The IDF has tweeted that he has been eliminated moments ago. Probably a decent source to confirm it. 150.143.144.127 (talk) 08:31, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hamas says that Muhammad Deif is alive and well and that he is "monitoring the statements of the occupiers". Jebotiacimmater (talk) 11:56, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

IDF confirmation

IDF has just officially confirmed that Mohammed Deif was killed two and a half weeks ago in Khan Younis.

Hebrew source: https://www.ynet.co.il/news/article/s1xnvjquc ZeroByter (talk) 08:32, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It’s more or less idf saying “we said so”. The evidence that he was in that place, let alone killed is not enough and should be treated as a claim. Hamas officially denies his killing (and note that they did admit haniye’s assassination even before the IDF commented on it, so this denial should be acknowledged) The Great Mule of Eupatoria (talk) 09:07, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

They say its based on an "intelligence assessment" (https://www.nytimes.com/live/2024/08/01/world/israel-hamas-iran-haniyeh-gaza). Since that's not DNA and Hamas have yet to confirm, I don't think we can say as a fact that Deif is dead. Selfstudier (talk) 09:25, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That is also what I am trying to say too. Hamas officially denies his targeting let alone killing, and explaining in other sections with how they have admitted high ranking officials (most recently haniye) being assassinated this denial should at least be acknowledged The Great Mule of Eupatoria (talk) 09:34, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

According to WAPO, https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/08/01/israel-hamas-war-iran-haniyeh-hezbollah-news/#link-RHGL44VMYBCTJILVMXFRLXDTOU

"A Hamas spokesperson said Thursday that confirming or denying the death of any of its leaders "is a matter for the leadership" of Hamas’s military wing, the Izzedine al-Qassam Brigades. "It is not possible to confirm any of the published news," Izzat al-Rishq said in a statement shortly after Israel announced it killed Hamas military commander Mohammed Deif." Selfstudier (talk) 11:29, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

To be fair to the IDF, Hamas would have been unable to hide the death of Haniyeh because he was killed in Iran. Hamas has a reason to hide the deaths of Deif and Marwan Issa. Very similar to how al-Qaeda never confirmed the death of Ayman al-Zawahiri. --Foxhound45 (talk) 11:34, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Well, you are assuming that the IDF never tells porkies, which we know not to be the case. You say Hamas has a reason to hide the deaths, is that just your personal opinion or do you have a source saying that? Selfstudier (talk) 11:38, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Your point of view is extremely biased. IDF and Hamas are not on the same level. Hamas is a terror group designated by EU, UK and USA. I'd quite trust the IDF over them, sorry (and they are not even denying what IDF said). --Folengo (talk) 12:16, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Here's my source. https://x.com/JoeTruzman/status/1812132824767742162 --Foxhound45 (talk) 12:17, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That's 13 July. Selfstudier (talk) 12:25, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

And it finishes up "Deif and Salameh, or one of the two, maybe dead,...." Selfstudier (talk) 12:28, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If the IDF or Hamas told me it was raining outside, I'd check. Selfstudier (talk) 12:23, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I know that's July 13. What Joe Truzman said about Hamas hiding the deaths of their commanders is still true. Believe what you want.--Foxhound45 (talk) 12:43, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not a question of what I believe, the question is what should the article say. I can bring sources showing the IDF telling lies if you like and you can believe or not, too. Selfstudier (talk) 12:49, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Why does it say he died in Lebanon? I thought gaza?

also the AP confirmed it

https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-gaza-war-mohammed-deif-9524d7d5c8f7321f4d8c931fde664556 2A06:C701:44C0:DC00:98C4:F5AC:EE18:6624 (talk) 09:12, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Again, “Israel says”. It’s a claim The Great Mule of Eupatoria (talk) 09:13, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Was just about to bring this up. The strike was in Khan Younis. There is no evidence from any sources whatsoever to suggest he died (assuming he did) in Lebanon. HawkScholar (talk) 09:22, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I cannot edit as of the 1RR file. His “death” is strictly based on Israeli claims, and the article should be edited to reflect that accordingly The Great Mule of Eupatoria (talk) 09:25, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

See above section. Selfstudier (talk) 09:33, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Edit Request: Add the IDF's Photo of Mohammed Deif

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What I think should be changed: Add a photo of Mohammed Deif above the infobox, using the photos released by the IDF, cited by reliable sources such as Ynet. See photos such as this one, this one and this one.
Why it should be changed: The article is currently lacking a photo. This issue has been discussed in the Talk page. Adding a photo would help advance the article and provide a visual context for readers.
References supporting the possible change: See this article by Ynet News (English site), where the photo links have been taken from.

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